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Marathon Look-Back #2, Reviews

Well, it’s that time again: time to look back at a long period of gaming spanning several years in both development and playtime. The last time we did this, we were covering the NES, SNES and GB eras, plus their direct continuations. The games we’ll be covering this time are all the PSX-era RPGs and their continuations, basically everything we played after FFVI and up to the present day, including six Final Fantasy games (seven if you count Before Crisis), three Persona games, two Final Fantasy movies, and one Final Fantasy TV show. This is proximate to our last look-back in terms of products (our last Look-Back covered twelve Final Fantasy games, one OVA, and the undersized FFII Soul of Rebirth and FFIV Interlude), but represents way more blog posts overall. The Directory was really getting unwieldy. Admittedly, as Kyle comments in one of his reviews, all these spinoffs and sequels are going to make this something of a FFVII-centric post, but it’s how it’s gotta be.


Final Fantasy VIII – Exit, Pursued by T-Rex

Ultimecia dies, only for the party to hit that snag I mentioned earlier: no one has any idea how to get back to the present because they didn’t plan for shit. Rinoa talks about meeting up at the orphanage, only she refers to it exclusively as “that place Squall and I promised to meet,” instead of saying “the orphanage.” This isn’t the first time I’ve seen a Japanese game do this, referring to something exclusively through inferences and nearabout kennings when they could just use the word in question. I have a feeling that, like kennings, this must be a linguistic or cultural nuance that isn’t localizing very well.

The scene comes to focus on Squall, only to discover he ended up at the orphanage in his own past, where he runs into a younger Edea. Unfortunately, he’s not alone. Ultimecia appears, determined to pass on her powers to someone. Wait, is this the incident Edea mentioned where she gained her sorceress’ powers? No, apparently Edea already has those. So is this a time loop that shows when Ultimecia possessed Edea in the first place? Or is the past being changed even though that shouldn’t be possible? I have no idea what’s going on or why it’s worth including as part of the story?


Final Fantasy VIII – She Will Die On This Soapbox

Once again: this is the start of Session 6, which runs – however briefly! – until the end of the game.

Time to deal with the bosses we were supposed to have fought at the start of the dungeon, and boy does it show. The first boss we fought was called Tri-Point, a jet-like, Lati@s-looking monster that retaliates against all attacks with group electric attacks. The safest way to fight it would be to junction electric resistance to your whole party, but assuming you’re doing this on the fly, it still only poses so much of a challenge. Unlike most bosses with variable weaknesses, Tri-Point oscillates predictably between these two weaknesses every time it takes a shot from one of them, so it’s just a matter of careful coordination. Orrrr… you could come here at the end of your dungeon run and power through it without a second thought. Without a first thought! We used this boss to restore our Limit Break powers, and basically every other power we unlocked after that was a formality. Saving was nice, I guess, we did that second-last. Tri-Point was the alternate draw point for Siren, otherwise from way back at the raid on Dollet.


Final Fantasy VIII – Fortress of Limitations

The world distorts and we get a genuinely impressive, prerendered CG where the room melts and the characters fall out the floor into a liquid world full of visions of the past, not unlike an visual representation of what Crystal Blue was supposed to be in Enix’s Terranigma a few years earlier (in practice, Crystal Blue only showed up as bubbles with no details, and had to be described in text. I just want to give Enix credit for the idea even if Square is doing it way better in this instance). The party promises to meet up at Edea’s orphanage once inside time compression, similar to Squall and Rinoa’s promise in the real world and probably based on it. Luckily (and I must impress: luckily), the party is not instantly killed as per Ultimecia’s plan, and end up in Edea’s prep room in Deling City. There, a save point appears and suddenly multiplies into over a dozen save points, as though compressed there through time. Heh, that’s clever. Then they go through the door only to end up in the same room! But don’t get attached to this weirdness, because unfortunately this is the last of it (except some special effects in the next battle), which is a damned shame. In the second prep room, they see Edea surrounded by after-images like Rinoa from before, only for her to split into multiple Sorceresses that attack you in turn. Kyle’s impression of this scene was that they represented Sorceress of the past, but mine was that they were more of an abstract, representing the idea of Sorceresses, or even some sort of panto. As you will!


Final Fantasy VIII – Standing Tank Adel

We were greeted at the entrance by Fujin and Raijin, who had flip-flopped on their “let’s let Squall beat Seifer back to normal” plan, and were now going to attack us. With two of our current party (Squall and Irvine) equipped with Sleep-inducing Junctions, we had soon knocked both of them out and began to milk Fuu for Full-Life (Arise) spells. Sadly, our third party member, Selphie, didn’t have any remaining magic slots to use to hold Full-Life. And it’s arguably too bad that she didn’t, because she had nothing to do for the whole fight but to attack the Rai and Fu, and so eventually reduced them below a certain health mark that not only changed their AI to a harder one, but woke them both up! I’ve never seen a change in AI remove status effects like this before, at least not without a transformation or magic spell to explain it! These changes meant that I had to get serious and end the fight. Oh well. Raijin and Fujin ran off. Just a few rooms into the map, and Biggs and Wedge showed up, having not been seen in hours, and they outright quit their jobs and ran off, without even noticing us! The way to the dungeon was now open.


Final Fantasy VIII – Save The World

Back at the orphanage, Rinoa has a pretty stock speech about her fears of becoming evil, and asks Squall to kill her personally if she does. Squall tells her to stop, and that he’ll always find a way to rescue her. I’m reminded of a similar scene from Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, pulverizer of cliches, where the character in Squall’s position doesn’t even let the character in Rinoa’s position finish their suicidal request, already at hand with an absolute, even joyful promise to save them. But in all fairness, I can’t be certain if CoM would have subverted the cliche if it hadn’t be dramatized in FFVIII, first! After this, she talks about a dream she had where she couldn’t find Squall anywhere, and they agree that if they’re ever separated in the real world, they should meet here at the orphanage.

At this point, Zell arrives and says that the Estharan government just sent a formal request to hire SeeD to deal with Ultimecia via a plan they’ve cooked up. Oh hey, “SeeD!” Yeah! I remember those guys! Why are you talking to me about them? I haven’t worked with them in like an in-game year or something now, although I admittedly spent half of that time walking along the equator, and the other half playing cards. Apparently, the person who sent the plan was named “Kiros,” so naturally everyone is wondering if it’s the Kiros they know from their time travel escapades, and how he ended up working for Esthar. They don’t even hesitate to hear the details of Esthar’s proposal, we’re just off to Esthar.


Final Fantasy VIII – Ultimate Ring Around the Rosey

Next up… well, next up was some menu diving, during which we discovered that we were sitting on two new Blue Magic items we didn’t even realize we had. We also corrected a few Junctions that had been left vacant when Edea left and took our magic with her, though we didn’t realize that was the cause at the time, and assumed the character’s GFs had gained the Junction slots since we had last checked.

Next up after that, our plan was to continue with sidequests, but since the upcoming quests would involve more fighting, we decided to fetch Rinoa before we continued, since she was well and away our weakest party member thanks to her repeat absences and would benefit from the EXP. I had put off rescuing her under the logic that we’d be trapped by the plot after rescuing her (we were going to defy Esthar in their own territory, after all), but we needn’t have worried, since you actually get her back without a fight! You go to Adel’s “memorial” and learn Rinoa is going to be sealed away permanently and probably in space, just like Adel (although how they were going to maintain her without a space station, I don’t know). You know, I had actually wondered why Adel had been sealed instead of killed (we get an explanation later on) but I can respect them not trying to kill Rinoa, who’s done no conscious wrong, even if I don’t agree with their method. In any event, all it takes is a swing of a gunblade to break the mechanism and a quick hug from Squall to change Rinoa’s mind about keeping others safe from her dangerous powers (hey, at least he learned how to hug at last!).


Final Fantasy VIII – PuPu to You Too

Rinoa does her best to make the ride back to the planet a romantic moment, and does an okay job considering her partner is Squall, but now it’s time for her big fear: Rinoa suspects that now that the Estharans know she’s a sorceress, they’ll take her away. I was confused by this, and this time it’s on me. Time for a quick confession: up until this point, I had been under the impression that Ellone was a Sorceress, and hadn’t even mentioned it because I figured it was so obvious! As a result, I didn’t understand why the Estharans would take Rinoa “away” when they did nothing to Ellone. Unless she was in space as a prison, of course. In hindsight my reasons for thinking Ellone was a Sorceress don’t hold up at all, but here’s my former thought process all the same.


Final Fantasy VIII – Floating in a Most Peculiar Way

Session 5 brought us all-but to the end of the game, stopping part-way through the final dungeon (we estimated no more than two hours of content remaining, max). We were too tired to play the last few battles! And we probably would have been done if not for those meddling cards and their Queen, but more on that in a minute.

For now, it was time to actually attend to business in Esthar. It turns out our next destination wasn’t actually inside the massive city of Esthar, like we had assumed at the end of Session 4, but rather in the surrounding wilds. There were a whole set of locations inside the Estharan invisibility net, including the lab that Laguna escaped from during the last flashback (one which never becomes important again, despite other Laguna locations like that never appearing on the world the map). Also present was a “memorial” for the Sorceress Adel; a creepy location full of unpleasant statuary and known as “Tears’ Point,” which wasn’t explained in any way, but did have an item called the Solomon Ring; and finally, our destination, the Lunar Gate. While Kyle tracked down these landmarks, we also had our eyes on the local, wandering Malboros, hoping to get their tentacles for a new Blue Magic spell and also another reason we’ll discuss later. Since Malboros are especially dangerous in FFVIII (without proper prep), we were probably just going to Mug them and maybe even run, but Odin killed the only one we encountered!


Final Fantasy VIII – Ward’s got Stealth 100

At this point, Edea actually joins the party as a guest! Thanks to Rinoa being unconscious during all our unwanted grinding, but still counting towards the party average, Edea ended up level-averaged to be in the low 20s. What with her being a guest, it seemed like it would be a waste of EXP to bring her in the active party, but I decided to take her when Kyle said we’d be able to use the Limit Break she used to take out Squall at the end of Disc 1. Thankfully, you only have a short dungeon to play with her / waste EXP on her (assuming you don’t go wandering off in the other direction, I don’t know if that’s possible), so it’s not much harm.

Oh by the way, all screenshots in this post are from RickyC from World of Longplays (YouTube). We’ll return to the screenshots that Kyle and I took with the next post.